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Auteur:  Napoléon [ 19 Avril 2009, 19:57 ]
Sujet du message:  L'objet de Casper

J'inaugure cette section par une question; je suis en train de lire un livre de Jacques Bergier, et il fait mention de l'objet de Coso, l'espèce de bougie électrique, et il fait mention égelemtn d'un autre objet similaire, mais sans préciser plus que le nom: l'objet de Casper.

Voilà, c'est quoi cet objet ? :geek:

Auteur:  Paul Binocle [ 19 Avril 2009, 20:02 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

(J'ai déplacé le sujet parce que les différentes sections thématiques ne sont pour l'instant pas ouvertes et ne sont visibles que par les modérateurs, elles seront rendues accessibles à tout le monde lorsque la section "généralité" deviendra trop remplie et que l'existence de sections spécialisées deviendra nécessaire ;))

Auteur:  Chimère [ 19 Avril 2009, 22:00 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Bon, alors le seul Casper que je connais étant le gentil fantôme... je risque pas de t'aider... :| :arrow:

Auteur:  Linele [ 20 Avril 2009, 09:49 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Idem, je n'avais jamais entendu parler de cela auparavant.

Auteur:  Paul Binocle [ 20 Avril 2009, 09:55 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

J'ai fait quelques recherches rapides, sans grand succès.

Sur ce site-ci, un internaute appelle "Casper Object" un vase maya avec une sorte de fantôme dessus : http://www.mayavase.com/comments8342.html

Citer:
Subj: 8342
Date: 6/9/2000 6:41:07 PM Eastern Daylight Tim
Justin,
Fritz Hunrath here, friend of Sandy Noble, we met a few years ago at Austin. Just saw your request for input on 8342. I'm sure this has already been noticed, but here is what I see: The interior of the odd furry thing, three black dots with vertical striped lines, reminds me of the old 'Casper' glyph, seemingly a variant of the ahau glyph. Don't have a Thompson catalogue here to give you the number. The three dots in this figure are repeated in the insect like creature between it and the bird, perhaps suggesting a connection. The base of the 'Casper object' suggests vegetation to me. Have no idea what the 'hair' around 'casper' would be, nor why the bird would seem to be
sticking its tongue out in front of this object, unless it was a 'miss' trying to capture the insect, as frogs do with their tongues. The bird seems a heavy composite of 'one of everything.'
Hope this might help.
Best regards, greetings to Sandy.
Deep thanks for your beautiful images on the web!!!
Fritz


L'objet : http://research.mayavase.com/kerrmaya_l ... umber=8342

Je ne sais pas s'il s'agit de ça. :P

Peut-être pourrais-tu citer la phrase du livre dans laquelle le terme est employé, pour que nous comprenions mieux le contexte ? :?

Auteur:  Linele [ 20 Avril 2009, 10:17 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Quel rapport y aurait-il entre une bougie électrique et un vase maya ?

Auteur:  Paul Binocle [ 20 Avril 2009, 10:28 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

À ma connaissance, aucun, d'autant plus que l'utilisation des mots "Casper object" semble être une coïncidence et n'a aucun rapport avec le nom habituellement donné à l'objet, qui n'est de toute façon pas particulièrement célèbre.

D'après ce qu'a dit Napoléon, cet "objet de Casper" est apparemment supposé être un OOPArt, comme l'objet de Coso.

Auteur:  Napoléon [ 20 Avril 2009, 12:32 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Oui, mais la phrase n'apporte guère d'autres renseignements:

Citer:
L'objet de Coso semble actuellement rejoindre le club de l'objet de Casper, la momie du Wyoming, le manuscrit Voynich et bien d'autres objets fortéens que leurs propriétaires refusent de laisser examiner par quiconque sans payer une somme exorbitante.


Voilà. :|

Auteur:  Paul Binocle [ 20 Avril 2009, 13:29 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Hé si ! :D

Je crois que cet objet de Casper est la momie du Wyoming :

Citer:
WYOMING'S MINI-MUMMY

In contrast, there is at least one corpse of an incredible North America mini-humanoid on record that has been formally examined by scientists - but all to no avail, as it turned out.

Its extraordinary history began one day in October 1932, when gold-prospectors Cecil Main and Frank Carr blasted a hole through the wall of a ravine in the San Pedro Mountains, about 65 miles southwest of Casper, Wyoming - and made a momentous discovery. The wall had been hiding a cavern, which contained a small ledge. And sitting on the ledge, in cross-legged pixie-like pose, with its arms folded across its chest, was the mummy of a diminutive humanoid figure, with a sitting height of less than 7 in and a total height of only 14 in.

Sporting a tanned if wrinkled bronze-coloured skin, barrel-shaped body, large hands, long fingers, low brow, very wide mouth with large lips, and broad flat nose, this strange figure resembled a smirking old man, who seemed almost to be winking at its two amazed discoverers, as one of its large eyes was half-closed. Nevertheless, it was evident that he had been dead for a very long time, and his death did not appear to have been a pleasant one. His head was abnormally flat, and was covered with a dark gelatinous substance - later examinations by scientists revealed that his skull had been smashed by an extremely heavy blow, and the gelatinous substance was congealed blood and exposed brain tissue.

The most detailed examination, including x-ray analysis, was conducted by anthropologist Dr Henry Shapiro from the American Museum of Natural History, which confirmed that the mummy was not a fake but did indeed contain a complete if minuscule skeleton, a fully-fused skull (verifying that it was an adult humanoid, not an infant), and also a full set of teeth.

The Casper midget mummy's current whereabouts are unknown, but its x-ray plates are still on file. Moreover, not long after its initial discovery by the two prospectors, a Mexican shepherd called Jos‚ Martinez reputedly found another mummy and six separate skulls on a ranch in the same vicinity. After soon suffering a number of mishaps, however, he considered them to be jinxed, so he swiftly replaced them where he had found them.

Other mini-mummies have also been reported over the years from elsewhere in the U.S.A. One of the most noteworthy of these was a 3-ft-tall, red-haired specimen discovered during the 1920s on a ledge in Kentucky's famous Mammoth Cave, and which seemed to be only a few centuries old. During 1922, sheep-herder Bill Street claimed to have found several small skulls and whole mummies in Montana's Beartooth Mountains, but their present whereabouts are unclear. Two young men on a day off from the Civilian Conservation Corps came upon a dead pygmy with sharp teeth in Wyoming's Wind River Mountains during 1933 (was it a Ninnimbe?); both died soon afterwards, and others who saw it died from severe illnesses.

In 1969, author John 'Ace' Bonar visited orthopaedic specialist Richard Phelps in Casper to see the preserved head of a mysterious tiny humanoid that he was displaying at that time in his shop. Bonar learnt that the head had originally been taken from a cliff near Wyoming's Muddy Gap. After Phelps's death in 1980, his daughter donated the preserved pygmy head to the University of Wyoming in Laramie, where it is still said to be today.

According to Bonar, the husband of Winnie Cardell from Alcova, Wyoming, also owned a mini-mummy - until he loaned it to a college professor, who never returned it. A specimen closely resembling the famous Casper mini-mummy attracted media attention in January 1979 when it was loaned to Californian antique appraiser Kent Diehl of San Anselmo for examination. Just under 1 ft long, with an indentation at the back of the head indicating brain injury as the cause of death, the mummy was supposedly found in Central America during 1919, but Diehl would not publicly identify the Marin family that presently owns it.

Attempts have been made by some researchers to dismiss the Casper specimen as a grossly-malformed human child or foetus, but its adult characteristics conflict with this identity. Also, there are many Amerindian traditions of mysterious races of dwarves or pygmies, as we have seen, and some of these allegedly kill their own kind when they become old or infirm by beheading them or smashing their skulls - in precisely the way that Casper's mummified midget and its Central American lookalike met their deaths. Just a coincidence?

Source : http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2009/04/ ... art-2.html

Image de la momie en question, parfois surnommée "Pedro" en l'honneur de son lieu de découverte (les montagnes de San Pedro, près de Casper, Wyoming) : http://www.anomalia.org/perspectivas/fo ... casper.htm

:binocle: Mystère résolu.

Auteur:  Trotmany [ 20 Avril 2009, 16:34 ]
Sujet du message:  Re: L'objet de Casper

Si tel était le cas, la construction de phrase de Jacques Bergier laisse vraiment à désirer. Ceci dit, je n'ai pas non plus trouvé trace d'un objet incroyable trouvé à Casper, hormis cette momie lilliputienne.

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